gasmiser83

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THERE IS A LONG TERM FALLACY IN THE BELOW APPROACH - BUT, IT SHOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE SHORT
AND INTERMEDIATE TERM ! ANYWAY - IT WILL MAKE US ALL FEEL GOOD ! FINALLY - THERE WAS A VIDEO OF THE CITGO 'DICTATOR' THAT IMPLIED AND BASICALLY SAID HE WOULD
'BREAK' THIS COUNTRY THROUGH GAS PRICES ! AS THE OPEC GAS COUNTRIES SET GAS PRICES HIGHER AND
HIGHER - HE MAY BE RIGHT.WHERE TO BUY YOUR USA-GAS, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. READ ON-- Gas rationing in the 80's worked even though we grumbled about it. It might even be good for us!
The Saudis are boycotting American goods.
We should return the favor.
An interesting thought is to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi
Arabia. Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis. Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending
my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends.
I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas
from and which major companies import Middle Eastern oil.
These companies import Middle Eastern oil:
Shell..................205,742,000 barrels Chevron/Texaco.........144,332,000 barrels Exxon /Mobil...........130,082,000 barrels Marathon/Speedway......117,740,000 barrels Amoco..................62,231,000 barrels
Citgo Gas comes from South America , from a Dictator who hates Americans. Do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18 BILLION! (Oil is now over $130 a barrel)
Here are some large companies that DO NOT import Middle Eastern oil:
Sunoco...............0 barrels Conoco...............0 barrels Sinclair.............0 barrels BP/Phillips..........0 barrels Hess.................0 barrels ARC0. ...............0 barrels Also: Pilot, Flying J, Love's, RaceTrac, Valero
All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing.
But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas buyers.
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magnumCA

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Great but I live in Los Angeles
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POLELANE

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good to hear both sides before making a decision
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Member

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I see the ethanol detractors are hard at work. I filled up with E85 today. $2.779/gal. 105 octane fuel made from USA field corn. Don't try to eat field corn at home. You'll get a gut ache. Stick with sweet corn for human consumption. Getting same MPG in my converted 1978 engine as with 87 octane gasoline but the engine has more torque and runs so much smoother with E85. When I build a high compression engine for ethanol I'll get much better mileage than you gas burners. Been running E85 in my 4 stroke lawnmowers for a year now. They havn't blown up yet. Don't believe all the positive information out there about ethanol fuel though. You keep swallowing the propaganda that ethanol is evil and I'll keep showing off the superiority of ethanol motor fuel.
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POLELANE

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i hope it helps them, send us any left over
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letmathe

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They need it.
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rbrowdersr

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Just another smokescreen to divert attention from the real problem.
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ramshot412

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Stop using food crops to make fuel!!!!
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brogan56

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Wisconsin farmers are appreciating the payday.
[Edited by: brogan56 at 5/21/2008 11:21:43 AM EST]
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acknot

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Ethanol is inefficient all the way around
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socalusra

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open some here
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rjn5851

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whish we had it here............
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flyfast

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FOOD WILL COST MORE
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Smarty_Pants

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I recently saw one of the new Chevy Taho hybrids, almost $50,000. So if the pump does not get you, then the manufacturer will.
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uksqueeze

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5/21/2008 9:04:06 AM
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Waste.
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EarlyMoose

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If they keep people from buying gas, good. I won't though.
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NissanGirl

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Waste of food and not as efficient
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NavyEOD

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None in So. Ca. yet.
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SJS

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waste of corn
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Gerund1

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Is anyone going to ask the question of what is used to make the ethanol from that these stations will be selling? Is it food, or is it something none food related, like switch grass.
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Don20

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5/21/2008 8:49:37 AM
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Not for me..
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Fencemaker

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5/21/2008 8:48:25 AM
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That $20 fuel card isn't going to get you far with today's prices!
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jjulson

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It is going to come down to food or fuel.
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spunky4443

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Now we can blame HIGH food bills, to Ethanol, somebody has got to be very happy.
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DST43

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5/21/2008 8:41:18 AM
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ok
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4warned

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At least someone is trying to do something.
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MG_Sputnik

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I'm not sure if this is really good.
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mattnmona

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Hey, I collect gift cards whether spent or unused. Where can I get one of these collector gas gift cards???
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Dennis783

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I think its good
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cudatim

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Just another political boondoggle being shoved down our throats.
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jmuse

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They're probable also celebrating the high price of corn.(and everything else associated with it)
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danthemanvan

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too bad we can't make it the way they do in Argentina, with sugar cane.
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fairchildd

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5/21/2008 8:22:23 AM
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does that take into effect the emissions used by the tractors and harvesters to plant and harvest the bio source?
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Rajah

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Ethanol, especially from corn, is a political boondoggle being forced on us by our paid-off politicians. Stop the madness. It's only benefiting a few farmers, the politicians and the lobbyists.
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laddyboy62

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lets see what foodstuffs will cost soon
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radrunner

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good. Just save the corn for eatting
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Crosley

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Use non food as a base for the fuel so it doesn't compete with food prices.
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tomok

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Make ethanol using NON FOOD sources. There are many possible sources available and by not using food crop lands to grow it either. Limit the import of OPEC oil.
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Dinogam

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Regardless of how one feels about biofuels in general and ethanol in particular, it's only logical that there are more stations selling it as more and more cars can use up to E85 or even B100 biodiesel.
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EnderNY

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remove the subsidy slowly, and let it compete with this gas prices.
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krmack

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I wish I had an E85 vehicle.
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papa9571

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what ever happened to Montana's coal gasification project? they were producing gasoline for $0.50 a gallon and we have over 300 years of coal in this country alone.
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mmene

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I agree with the poster who says we should stop the ethanol subsidy. This makes us pay twice - first with our taxes to support the subsidy and second with high food prices since it is cheaper for farmers to sell us ethanol than food.
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gasman50

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Stop all Fed Gov. subsidies
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vascojoe

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Stop the subsidy for ethanol and you will see the true price and need for ethanol develop.
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Chazzer

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Too bad we couldn't capture the cheese fumes for an alternative fuel!
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Brockvillian

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And I bet you only find out after you fueled up if you are one of the 100 customers. Suckers. ;)
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Arktander

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Every little bit helps.
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phatride92

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stuff
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The_WB

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My car will not operate on it
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