lindamay
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In the Twin Cities, Superamerica drives the gas prices. We're compensating by refusing to buy gas from them, even when it's lower, and we won't buy convenience items either.
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jjohnson90
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gas stations aren't fixing prices, it's the oil companies.
I work at a superamerica and the only way we are allowed to change the price is to do a "fuel survey" where we drive up and down the corridor and check the prices of all the nearby gas stations. We then send the info to the oil company (Marathon) and they send us a 'price change authorization' back which will say something like
UNL PLU PRE DSL
CURRENT 3.839 3.939 4.039 4.649
NEW 3.829 3.929 4.029 4.699
DEADLINE: 12:00PM 5/31/2008
this price is what we have to sell it for, which includes only 8-15ยข per gallon for the gas station.
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REKEY
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BUSH!
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LWB_Sr
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Very true, Blame is a game, and solves nothing.
It is worth noting that USA oil reserves, though substantial, are not being utilized because of unfavorable and stupid government restrictions against off-shore development, plus the Polar Bears MUST be protected at all costs, even if eventually humans don't make it!!!!!!!
*****Wake up America*****
*****Are you there, Politician?*****
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magnumCA
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IT is not important about blame we all suffer and PAY
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able2ru
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My speculation is on the Oil Industry. See if you follow my logic. They report huge profits. Then they state they need those huge profits to invest into new drilling and exploration and equipment. You never hear of new drilling anywhere. You never hear that they are exploring anywhere. You never hear they are adding new equipment anywhere. You say this is a free market, and that may be true, but when you only have two or three marketeers, and they are in cahoots with each other, then you do not really have a free market, you have a monopoly. All the "abondoned" or low production wells and "idled" refineries in this country need to be seized, by eminent domain, and put on line for the people. Open new areas for drilling, but only to those that will sell the oil at 10% less than opec. it may start small at first, but it will slowly start to unravel the greedy oil industry.
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Johnnyart
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The Oil Companies, Government, Investors and the Customers... If we buy
it, then Everyone thinks it's okay... Plan and Simple, We Must BOYCOTT!!!
Use Public Transportation! Bus, Train, Subway, etc... It is DAVID
(PEOPLE) VS GALIATH (OIL COMPANY'S/GOVERNMENT)...
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figman
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SenileOldMan, what is Dennis Lee trying to sell?
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letmathe
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The last is the best hope (the first few things we should have always been doing for safety's sake.)
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lparafael
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We can all try to do many things to somewhat ease the pain. First, we can all try to drive slower - the speed limit isn't that slow. Try to time the lights so you don;t hit as many red lights. We can write our congressmen (and women) and senators to get them to do something - ease up on restrictions for new refineries, incentives for companies who are trying to come up with alternative energy sources.
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SenileOldMan
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Here's something different to chew on. Detroit is actually against better gas mileage. See this: "George Wiseman from Eagle Research, Canada, says:
"Fuel injection systems are actually designed to prevent efficient
combustion!"
Dennis Lee from Better World Technologies, USA, says:
"The computerized fuel injection system is a gatekeeper that is
designed to prevent aftermarket devices that are designed to improve
fuel economy. If you wonder why Detroit would be involved in that,
unburned fuel eventually wears down engines so they do not last
past the warranty. They call it "planned obsolescence"."
Lou LaPointe from Bright Technologies, USA, calls this planned
behavior "Detroit Fever". He says:
"...they have sabotaged newer car computers with programming to detect
high mileage and then RICHEN the mixture so you cannot maintain high
mileage.
...The problem became known as Detroit Fever. The cause was the anti-
mileage computer programming in new cars...the problem grows worse
every year because they know they can get away with it by selling
horsepower.
...the catalytic converter HIDES the fact of bad Thermal Efficiency
from the car owner...You will be forced to buy a new car sooner. This
situation is a direct violation of the Clean Air Acts passed in recent
years.
...The fact that you are not getting good mileage is not because your
car has but limited economy. It is because your car programming simply
will not allow it.
...whenever you make some mileage-improving change to your engine and/
or to the fuel it is swallowing, your on-board computer will eventually
detect the good MPG change and reverse it. Yes, that is true. Although
it may take a tank or so of gas before the computer figures out what
was done, it will eventually richen the mixture again, effectively
snuffing out any temporary good mileage boost you may have gained..."
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RML1
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Blame is a game, and never solves any thing.
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bbthegun
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Okay...I admit it. I am the cause of the $4 gas. It's me.
Isn't this yesterday's news?
"You freakin' people! You have no idea how to defend a nation. All you did was weaken a country today Caffee. Sweat dreams son."
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Several good comments this morning. Bottom line, there is no ONE answer. It takes creativity and willingness to change from all of us to get past this.
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CatbirdWoman
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That's just it. That's why I said it's our fault in part, but it's some greed too. I mean if the big oil wasn't making record breaking profits, it would be not so bad, but they are! I mean, it's stupid!
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acknot
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All of us contribute in one way or another. Supply and demand, capitalism at its best.
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EarlyMoose
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Thanks mars48.
I'm just trying to keep my money in my pocket. It saves a lot if you can do some work on your car yourself too.
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I'm not sure what Pete Townsend has to do with any of this.
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chivs
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There is no one factor to blame...we continue to drive over the speed limit, buy huge gas guzzling cars and we pay whatever they charge..the number of people who have reduced their gas consumption is far less than those who just complain and do nothing..
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Fencemaker-If you buy gas, then it is your fault. You are contributing to demand and the price is a product of demand.
NissanGirl-Fencemaker - some of us can't be without our vehicles. We have to get to work, get groceries (which I need not say are essential), etc... It is just not possible to stop driving all together. Public transport is not readily available in all areas. Not everyone lives in metro areas where they can take the train.
But fencemaker's comment is correct, if you buy gas you are part of the problem. The reason you buy is a different subject.
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stock market
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rbrowdersr
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Greedy manipulators.
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OPEC needs competition to bring reality back to oil pricing. Our producers need to pull back on the greed and cut prices. We also need to pull out all the stops to find alternative energy sources to reduce consumption and dependence on oil. Our refiners could also take a look at the big picture and stop wallowing in their obscene profits while everyone else suffers.
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MetroSexual
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Mooseman1: That is a good article and shows there are other, better alternatives. Problem is that the garbage lobby doesn't have the power of the farm lobbies.
We cannot win this until we get rid of the stagnant, decaying, corrupt political system.
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arabs..................
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Zacchaeus
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Come on guys/gals .... it's the dude on the top floor of the CBT doing the price runup.
Talk to your favorite market trader. If they all shorted the oil futures we would see much lower crude.
Zac
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Us.
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flyfast
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GOV.
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mars48
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Great comment, Mooseman. What can WE do?
How about - slow down. You don't need to buy a hybrid. Engineers increased mileage by over 20% in regular assembly line vehicles, just by slowing down. And they were not doing 20 mph, but the speed limits, or just a bit under. Try it! I'm telling you, you'll own the right lane - while everyone else fights for position in the left lane.
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Alternative fuel research is one thing, developing the infastructure is something else. Nitrogen fuel cells are doable, but the infastructure will drive the cost beyond the feasability.
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We need to build new refineries and start using or oil as well as develop alternative means. I do not like watching national news programs and economist say we need to increase the gas tax. That really upsests me.
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There is so much blame that can be passed along it would take a short book to list them.
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AlaRedNeck
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The ONLY answer is alternative fuels. Oil is going to run out sooner or later, it isn't renewable. If we'd spend HALF of the $700+ million a month that we are spending in Iraq on alternatice fuel research we'd all be oil free in a couple of years.
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Oil Tycoon, My Wallet He's a Pickin......clean that is.
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Fencemaker - some of us can't be without our vehicles. We have to get to work, get groceries (which I need not say are essential), etc... It is just not possible to stop driving all together. Public transport is not readily available in all areas. Not everyone lives in metro areas where they can take the train.
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Mooseman1
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Instead of blaming let's turn it into, "what can we do about it". Garbage ethanol is a win-win alternative.
Ethanol from garbage
[Edited by: Mooseman1 at 5/21/2008 10:54:05 AM EST]
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AlaRedNeck
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"Oil jumped Tuesday after oil tycoon T. Boone Pickens predicted that the commodity would hit $150 a barrel by the end of the year. Pickens told CNBC Tuesday that the surge in price is a legitimate consequence of an imbalance between supply and demand and that producers are "running out of oil."
Yeah right, what else is an oilman going to say and who is going to believe it?
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I know we need to find better alternative fuels.
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Smarty_Pants
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We must develop our own resources, and not be at the feet of rogue nations that set un-reasonable demands.
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AlaRedNeck
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"Oil soared past $130 a barrel for the first time this morning, touching $130.38 a barrel."
MSN Money this morning.
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THEY CAN RIP US OFF AND WE STILL KEEP BUYING. BUSH'S BUDDIES ARE MAKING THEIR LAST BILLIONS BEFORE HE LEAVES.
i AM REALLY PISSED THAT THE GAS STATIONS WONT GIVE THEIR CURRENT PRICE. THEY ARE A BUSINESS IT IS JUST WRONG.
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yelobus
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Gas costs $4 because we are willling to pay it.
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MetroSexual
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If you don't know what it feels like to live through a major economic depression, get ready.
CNN just announced that oil has gone above $130/barrel.
There isn't anyone who will not be affected by this in a negative way. I only hope everyone is more than one paycheck away from the street. It can happen in a flash.
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AlaRedNeck
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How is it Obama's fault? He doesn't control anything, he didn't start any illegal wars or ignore the will of the people. You are stretching here.
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very weak dollar, no buying power
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If you buy gas, then it is your fault. You are contributing to demand and the price is a product of demand.
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mplambert54
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Everyone has played a part. And yet, we complain about it and do nothing to fix it.
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Many factors one being we forgot the 70's but much of the popluation was not around in the 70's
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It's our fault for not learning our lessons from the oil embargo of the 70's...and if prices go back down a bit we will forget what we have learned from this latest round of price hikes.
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we all are
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